instability. >> bill: wait a minute though. let's try to be real fair. right now i think these people feel empowered in the short-term. they think they are out there. they think they are getting a lot of media attention. they think they are changing hearts and minds. would you agree with that. >> i believe they feel self-empowered in the disguise of, masked in large group think. in reality, those that are considered externalizers, that's those that believe that others should help them versus those that are internalizers, internalizers are persons who believe that the choices i make can benefit me. i feel self-confident and good about myself. those that live a life of internalization are able to move forward, feel good about who they are. >> bill: what about the people with the moral belief and this is most of those protesters according to the survey taken by doug schoen that the government has an obligation, a moral obligation, all right, to provide cradle to grave entitle thes including college education for everybody. so why would they be depressed