the same kind of people that she is. that is to say evangelical and social conservatives. he has a little bit greater appeal to catholics who are in the eastern part of the state. she's probably got a better appeal to evangelical protestants in the western part of the state. but he has a chance if he's camped out there. >> and what is congresswoman bachman wins iowa? >> well, allows them to survive a second or third place finish in new hampshire and go ton other states. we saw this with huckabee. he broke through in iowa, didn't do so well in new hampshire but it allowed him enough time to do things like run well in georgia, run well in missouri and so forth. >> to the extent you can general lies, if you do well in iowa you can expect do better in south carolina than new hampshire? >> that's my general reaction. again, i think iowa, new