moderate independents, period. moderate independents. that's scares the people that don't have a home or undecided or would vote for a mitt romney. he can win a jn election and perry cannot win a general he election. >> and people say like what-- and bob does, too, so what is so scary about it? >> they steal votes. >> steal votes from what? >> from independents? from-- >> the policy and policy-- >> he can get independent moderate vote-- >> one thing on the perry immigration ad, i think we should point out there was a fact check by kessler, they pushed back and governor christie is going to give a big presidential speech. what was in the book and chris christie is going to talk about how america is an exceptional election. >> why you do you say that rick perry is unelect ablg. >> he can win a primary, but not a general election,