some people say that number is he even way too small. >> reporter: right, both side agree that number doesn't get you there. it's really to stave off a crisis and to buy us ten years, a not great but pretty good number would be 4 trillion in savings. the only policy passed there is tax reform. no one has stepped up to the plate, either side, in the super committee or elsewhere to propose a path for tax reform. we are into october on saturday. the congressional budget office is asking lawmakers to come up with their details by mid to late october so they can score it, and tell us how much it really costs, and whether it will really work by november 23rd which is the super committee's deadline. there is a lot of work to be done in the next three weeks and it doesn't look like there is a path to do it. jon: a. b. stoddard from the hill. thanks. jenna: brand-new information in the operation fast and furious scandal. how your tax dollars put guns in the hands of criminals. and what this development could mean for the justice department