a question to you, james murdoch, during the course of last year you gave evidence under oath on two occasions that email was relating to a case. [unintelligible] trying to protect the surveillance phone hacking could not be retrieved bass they were lost in some black hole in mumbai. that is not the case. >> i think actually what he was referring to initially what we'd had with our suppliers and i think i'm correct in thinking the information, commissioner had actually put out a clarification and explained that there were no issues and that they were entirely comfortable with international's response to that. >> do you know who gave them that information that the emails