he's public enemy number one and they have no body and doesn't experience guilt and can't play on that. and knows she will not get beaten in the interrogation, and it is easier for her to maintain her comportment and she's disciplined. >> gregg: disciplined or cold-hearted, that is the question. attorneys joey jackson and david schwartz and lis weihl are back with us. david, during some of the most heart wrenching testimony, the defendant is seemingly emotionless. she may be cold. and maybe cold-hearted. jurors are always glancing over during testimony, especially as the jailhouse conversations are being played in court. and, sometimes she is just stone faced. >> i think that is a bunch of garbage, actually. you could be stone faced, people react differently when you are being accused of murder. there is no play book on how you are supposed to act in a courtroom and i see -- i have seen defendants have smiles on their faces during proceedings and it is a nervous...