>> like i said, it's-- the travel money they want to take the federal money and they don't have to participate in the federal programs and they don't have to take the federal money. >> mike: one thing i'm convinced of, you will not improve education if you don't raise the standards. you have to measure them and accountability. if you have bad teachers they get fired just like-- >> if you fail you get fired. the national education association, they keep-- . keep having you on, i'll got fired. >> and easter fears and now you can't say east ear tn-- >> i am the final word. >> let me put a plug in for democrats who are advocating getting rid of tenure, merit pay. >> great. >> things you're advocating and the fact that we agree on, makes me hopeful. >> mike: and what i hope you