barack obama's leadership. such that we now have these exploding deficits, $900 billion a year, each of the next ten years and now we have this international debt crisis as well and mention get it and -- >> i think americans get it in a way perhaps they didn't in 1994. and i think that is one of the central differences you can certainly feel out there, right now. what about social security? are you willing to encourage your members to go after -- make cuts in social security, make cuts in the defense budget, make cuts in medicare? is that what we will see. >>you know, i think what we have to do is look at every agency and program, and do the oversight that congress has not done to find efficiencies, we have to keep our commitments to older americans, that is clear -- >> what do you mean by that? do you mean that you would not consider cutting social security? >> look, there's a lot we can cut before we get to social security, how about not raiding the social security funds to begin with. i mean, there are lots of things we can do but there is so much waste across the government every agency, every program needs to be evaluated.