it is simply not working out in our economy as he steps towards this utopia he would like to create for america, it roads the work ethic the entrepreneurial spirit in this country. that too is why we have to fight to make sure we have persons in the positions to cast the vote to undo what he does want to create. >> sean: the thing i fear when i look at my grandparents that came from ireland. they didn't have any money, no guarantee of health care, but wanted to live in freedom. my father grew up really poor and worked hard and fought in world war ii and built a better life because of his grandfather. i stand on their shoulders. it seems if government creates this dependency, that we will never -- that people will be disappointed and they will give up their liberty and freedom in the process. >> that what the debate is coming down to the bold differences between the two parties? >> i think that is what it is coming down to.