significant amount. i argue because they wanna create a big funnel effect. slowly but surely they are going to drag everybody down into the government exchange and push out all private insurance companies. as a matter of fact, joe biden even used the term, we will control the insurance companies. explain how the medicare expansion angle from a legal point of view. >> as you know, all states are struggling with budgets now. mandate 130% below the poverty level is going to make the state of utah pay additional 100 million dollars a year, we are already in a deficit situation. the federal government is telling us not only is our plan not good enough nor them, which is a good plan, streamlined. they are telling us how we have to do things. that's upside down from the constitution and the founders meant. >> sean: you're challenging those that are saying this can't be won in the core. i don't have a lot of confidence in the courts. we have appointed or elected judges unelected in many cases,