economists and liberal economists have consistently both side the way you handle it is raising taxes and cutting spending. >> i don't say that i think actually if you -- my own opinion, if you start talking raising taxes that takes all the pressure off cutting spending. [ talking over each other ] >> the last time we balanced the bunt was in the late 90s we did that not through tax increases when you had spending control and mick growth. those are the two thing -- and economic growth. those are the two things. if you raise taxes you are going to make the budget deficit worse. >> greta: i have to be practical. the way to pay for this one of the ways is we got to get more money and cut our spending. not a particularly novel idea. what i was trying to get to. the president says he's