president at a wanted there in with me in the studio now to break this all down is dr pay to have ballet he's a latin american foreign policy analyst at the bat in free university thank you very much for joining us here on d w one country two presidents i mean who's winning out who's in charge right now it's quite a difficult question because while the interim president one guy though has no real power but he has a powerful argument because he is. as secretary of state called him former president when this will go is known because as he didn't win the two thousand eighty nine elections in a legitimate ways so as on. generally his first man. and