seeing how republicans reacted to what joe manchin put forth here, does that only validate that argument? >> it might validate the argument, but i think it's -- it's an irrelevant argument or moot argument because regard lesion of what progress us in the house mostly may say, joe manchin is joe manchin, and you're not going to have him change his mind, and joe biden is a bipartisan man by nature who is an institutionalist and wants to reach across the aisle, so i don't think you're going to change their nature. look, i come from up of those states where there have been voting law changes recently. it's now going to be a lot harder to vote by mail, but i -- i will tell you i don't think republicans will ever go along with getting rid of gerrymandering because they control so many state legislatures, and it is -- it is to their great benefit. >> and i have to wonder what joe manchin is thinking because here he said i want a january 6th