he says to rationalize the treatment of navalny. and then, he dies in prison. it's about trust. it's about their ability to influence other nations in a positive way. >> it's interesting. you know, what he is saying that there -- there would be devastating consequences for russia. it's not, necessarily, saying the u.s. would -- would act in a devastating way toward russia. it's just -- he is saying that if navalny died in prison, for russia, it could be devastating, on the world stage. >> yeah. >> and -- and i think you have hit on something really crucial there, anderson. and the kremlin appeared to be almost calling the white house's bluff, on this one. the kremlin doesn't believe, ultimately, that the u.s. is going to cross a certain line, in terms of punishing russia for its treatment of alexei navalny. they saw the sanctions that were levied at the kremlin and at the fsb, as a result of the poisoning. as being not superfishlcial, bu
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