i mean, that is -- >> that is classic white nationalist talking point. >> exactly. that is something you expect to hear from a follower of richard spencer, not of william f. buckley, jr. >> the companion piece to that, they always say, i'm not a racist, i just love my race. >> exactly. >> i don't hate black people. i just love my race. >> that's kind of the vibe you get from this article. i've never been accused by a mainstream publication before of being a self-hating white. this is the kind of stuff that i hear on the dark corners of the internet from actual white supremacists and so to see this actually -- this kind of filth directed at me from national review, which is, you know, a publication that is defined american conservatism since the 1950s. >> william f. buckley. >> this is a magazine i grew up reading, an doctor son. i had a subscription in national review when i was 13. >> subscription at 13. wow, it doesn't surprise me, but i kind of love that idea.