>> you said that the conversations in the bars, nothing that would indicate that that's what caused him to begin shooting? >> no. >> that he preplanned it earlier? any idea how much earlier? one day? one week? one month? >> you know, hard to say, mike. i can tell you he was in the oregon district on friday night. so what was his mind-set then? i don't know. he was not unfamiliar with this area and the fact he was there the night before, you know, vern certainly have to consider there was some thought being given to it at that time. [ inaudible question ] no, no, in fact, your paul -- i don't think saw anybody else in the alleyway during that time. >> there are two segments of period that we can't see him clearly, that's one when he's at the car with the branch in the way and behind newcomb's. there were people in alley, in