different view than -- they talk about barack but they have a fu fundamentally different view than the president of the united states. let's focus on who has the best path forward to lead this country to greatness. >> are you supportive of the debate stage shrinking going forward? >> well, i'm supportive of having a debate. not one-minute assertions. look, it's not anybody's fault the way it's worked. there's 20 candidates and that's a good thing. but the idea that we don't actually have a chance to explain our policies in less than one minute, and if you're not asked a direct question about your policy, you get 30 seconds. and if you're not asked, you get 15 seconds to intervene, that's not a debate. i understand why it has to be that way, but i'm looking forward to getting to the place where we can actually exchange ideas. >> can you clarify your position on nafta?