so he wants to really pinpoint harris in the same camp as warren and sanders, even though as phil pointed out she's trying to do a bit of a balance. >> and i think half the battle for kamala harris will be how exactly she sells this on stage. she has to own this policy plan. health care is incredibly difficult and complicated. because this is a new plan for her and because we've seen her struggle to explain exactly where she falls on the issue of medicare for all and what her vision is of health care in this country, i think wednesday night will be really critical for her, purely in terms of this performance aspect. >> it's extremely personal to people as you look at any polling. what the biden campaign is making clear and the sanders campaign is there's two lanes here. don't create a third one and i agree with m.j. she's going to get hit on this and going to need to be able to explain it in detail on stage. i have no doubt they are prepping her to do just that and she knows what she put behind