trump. >> but it's how? that's the trick. that's why i wanted to play for you what you're up against. you guys in your party have to figure out how to come together and what that will mean. and i know what usually happens, but i don't know -- >> you do it two ways. one, you call them on the bs, and you do it very directly. and then you talk about what he's -- the heart of what he's trying to get at is everybody's economic status in the country. we have to show people that you don't have to blow out somebody's candle so yours can shine brighter. that means everybody can prosper economically if you show people that plan and i think the vice president has a good plan for that, we can't pit rural against urban -- >> but that is happening in your party a little bit. you have this division. and i want to show you what you're up against. imagine -- because right now who knows how the primary goes. the former vp is up. but there are real divisions in your party. the people who are behind him are nothing like him. look at what the president has in his stable of supporters. >> what would you do if the president said, i am a racist, that's why i said it, what would you do? >> then i would not defend him. because there's no excuse for racism in america. >> would you still support him as president? you have to think about it. you have to think about whether or not you would support a racist? really? >> i'd have to know who was running against him. >> a racist? you're running for senate and you got to take a pause whether