there are conservatives that think america is great and needs to be better and there are people on the left that think america is as a sum bad. michelle obama said the first time i've been proud of my country is when barack obama got elected and people on the left that culturally believe that. they want to change what america is and people on the right want to make america better. that's a cultural clash. that's the conversation the president is trying to have. the squad wants to have the same conversation, as well. that's the real political conversation going on here. >> i guess it's hard to watch every day now because of donald trump we're debating whether he's a racist. i think it's pretty clear he is. and when we're talking about -- >> i don't agree with that, by the way. >> that's fine. i'm not going to debate you on it. i know what he says. i know how he acts. i know when i go into a parking lot and very red places in america and there is a trump sticker on the back of a truck in a minority walks by and sees it and takes a step back, that is the connotation that donald