craved. so, joan, is he the new anthony kennedy? >> no, but he is the new swing vote, michael. ever since justice kennedy retired a year ago this week it put john roberts at the median ideologic ideologically. but he was always going to be the swing vote, the question is what kind of a swing vote would he be? what kind of a middle player would he be. it's so unusual to have a man chief justice of the united states, also have the power of being at the center. so, i'll answer the question that you posed to viewers at the outset, is john roberts the new swing vote? yes, but is he like anthony kennedy? no. >> what i know from createding and enjoying your book is this tension that he faces. you argue that he's the same guy he's ever been. he's the same in terms of his judicial philosophy, as when he was a young lawyer in the reagan