of americans it's what they're going to see and hear and finally understand. >> yeah. i think, listen, think that's a very astute observation or analysis, matthew. philip, listen, i think he's right when, because there are people who are out there -- you saw some of the town halls and some of the people, especially the woman who said i didn't know there was anything negative in there about the president in the entire mueller report, and you would think, well, where's she been? but people listen to the news that reaffirms their beliefs. so, you know, the special counsel getting up there and speaking, you know, at a hearing for the world to see in front of cameras live on television, that could have a big impact. >> yeah, i mean, it could. the challenge, though, is actually after mueller gave his statement last week, i went back and i watched the fox news broadcast that night and into the next morning. the "fox & friends." and looked at how they covered it. the way they covered it is how you expect defenders of trump to report it. tucker carlson called him -- used really pejorative term for