activists in california and not the people who live on twitter. they are voters in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina and oh ohio. i don't know if that was a choice or a plan of his, but it may have been. he's a smart governor. he was from a purple state. i think the reality to all of this is that's why joe biden is not at that convention. he might have gotten booed as well. he's marching to his own drummer here. >> to give john hickenlooper credit, there was a progressive woman who had a lot of energy behind her, but they elected a labor leader, russ hicks as the democratic chairman, which says there are still people? the party who kind of want to play it a little safer. >> before we go to break, we have to talk about the new debate rules that the dnc announced this past week. right now the rules are, to get on the first set of debate
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