through the perception of their partisan loyalty, so if you believe what barr is saying, i don't think watching that video is going to change it, and this is part of the problem of relying on a report to speak for itself. nothing speaks for itself in 2019. parties speak for how people think. it's very hard to get throug that. that's part of way the 38 number is a little misleading. if the speaker is not being a leader, if she is not leading the conversation, a lot of democrats are naturally going to say we're going to sit on the fence. >> are there signs that the poll litization is bothering people on both sides though they're not all saying it. >> bothering is different than taking action. it bothers lots of people. we go through the conversation every election, but after the election, here we are again. you need something pretty bold to move people through that. >> let's not forget arguably the most important words bob mueller said, multiple systemic efforts