ammunition depots because we thought it would be a cool mission. we were 10 years old. >> how old? >> 10 years old. it didn't go so well. the cops chased us. i lost my roy rogers pearl handed pistol. i got back to the house. everything calmed down. i thought everything was done. a couple days later my father called me and said bill, some kids tried to break into the ammunition depots, do you know anything about that? and as i say in the book, that's the first i think the last time i ever lied to my father. i said no, sir, i don't. he didn't say anything. he said okay. i went to bed that night. i took my shower and i looked on my night stand and there was my roy rogers pearl handled pistol. my father knew that i lied. he never in the course of the many decades that he lived after that, never raised it again. and i think part of it was this was his parenting technique. i know you should always know that i know when you are telling the truth or when you're lying. >> another moment that i think a the hoff people are not aware of