involved with his security. i know just from reading that there was issues back and forth about security for -- for numerous people, actually. but i don't want to get involved in that stuff. >> so, susan, why lie again? >> it is really painful to listen to that. i mean it is flagrant. it is brazen. it is explicit. this is not -- by the way, listening to that, it is not that president trump has somehow convinced himself of the truth of that. that is just an outright untruth. ivanka trump made the statement that max booth is referring to just a few weeks ago in an interview. jared kushner's lawyer, abby lowell, repeatedly miss aren'ted -- misrepresented this to the times. if you read this, which i suggest your viewers do, it is striking to me that a lawyer, an officer of the court, it is not