so let's figure out why they're doing this. it's very interesting. good evening. let's discuss. i'm going to start with you, renato. the defense team is saying that the case isn't about murder or drug cartels or a madoff style ponsi scheme. they're arguing for a lighter sentence in the d.c. case. what do you make of their argument here? >> you know, i have been representing clients now for years, and before that i spent a decade as a federal prosecutor. and when you're in the white collar criminal defense world, you know your clients in real trouble when your argument is, well, he didn't kill anybody. that's basically the lowest level argument when you're a criminal defense attorney. you got nothing. you don't have the facts. you don't have the law. you have no sympathy on your side. so you say, well, he didn't kill anybody. >> nobody died is the other one, right? yeah. >> there you go. pretty much. >> yeah. >> that's what this is.