the kurds who have been doing the lion share of the fighting and dying on our behalf against isis. >> it's a very important point. and that's what senator angus king who led that questioning with general votel and had him admit to him in the senate hearing this week that the president didn't consult him about this withdrawal, that's angus king's concern too is the kurds. and of course remind everyone the safety of the kurds was the red line, our reporting is for james mattis resigning, right? abandoning them. >> exactly. >> director clapper, if i could move on to north korea, we now have a date for the president to have a second summit with kim jong-un in vietnam. it's going to be at the end of the february. is that a good idea for the president to meet with kim jong-un again? >> well, you know, it's always better to talk and in my mind this is somewhat of a do-over from the singapore summit. and what i hope is that something substantive will come