devin nunes, who will clearly need to get lawyers, as well, given what we kind of know to be the case, that he was playing fast and funky to assist the trump white house in the previous congress's investigations. >> i wonder, how will a change at the top of the justice department, harry, how will that impact the president? because he went from sessions to whitaker and possibly to barr? >> i think it's largely going to shut down -- as juliet says, you've had the kind of giuliani circus and the pr front. now it's time for some real lawyering. and the white house counsel has brought on some pretty serious troops, pat philbin and the like. but with barr at the help, it's going to be a lot harder to try to demonize the justice department, to have kind of crazy statements and really shake the trees. i think they're going to have to leave the justice department alone, basically, and now focus on, as you saw trump doing