americans overall do not want a government shutdown if there is no funding for the wall? >> no, not much. i mean i've never seen a president who does less to reach out to people who didn't vote for him. and this is all about cons consolidating his base. and 78% is quite an astonish in number. and he's going to be happy with that. so if others don't like it and if 57% of the country doesn't like it, it's not, it's not his problem. he believes it's the democrats problem. not his. >> this cnn poll also found trump's approval rating has ticked up to 40%. it's a point higher. than what was before the shutdown. why do you think it went up? >> i was looking at some of our internal numbers to try and f figure it ou. first of all, it's pretty much statistically insignificant. he has had a little bit of an uptick with pend voters although