what, november of 2016, that was when he was president-elect. so the bottom line is i'm wondering when the president is going to sever ties. the president is very cognizant of the optics of all the people that have been in his inner circle that have been fired, and i'm wondering what that is for the president to say bye, rudy. >> can i just say, ana, i'm not 100% sure that he really doesn't like what rudy is doing. i think in some ways rudy throws up chaff into the air for us to chew on, and at the end of the day, i'm not sure the president doesn't like having somebody out there, even if it's not accurate, but that it still kind of puts a lot of distractions into -- >> even if it's not in his best interest. guys, got to leave it there. >> it was a great distraction at the beginning, yeah. >> april ryan, michael shear, good to have you with us. thanks. >> sure. president trump suggesting he is going to build the wall himself, calling talks to avoid another shutdown a waste of
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