he knows wilbur ross. he knows stephen mnuchin. a quality guy and one of the good people that gives him advice on a regular basis. and one of the moderating forces on him. kellyanne conway, for all the abuse she takes because she comes out in public, comes on your shows -- >> and she gives. >> she does, too. she's one of the people in the private moments in the white house who gives the president very good advice. >> no question, people undersell her at their own peril. >> they do. they've done it over and over again. i'm telling you, it's a short list. john kelly was very good for what he did in that period of time and gave him some very good advice. but, you know, there's a lot of folks around there who only cared about themselves and put their self-interests ahead of the interests of the country and it is, of course, the president's got to be accountable for that because he picked those people. but it also is true that he never served in government before, and he more than anybody else needed some people who had experience in government and people like his son-in-law, jared kushner, and steve bannon, were intent on keeping those