democratic party, howard schultz's home state of washington there. democrats have bad memories. they'll blame ralph nader in 2000 and even jill stein in 2016. is there data that shows that third party candidates draw more from one party than another? >> not really, no. obviously, ralph nader haunts the memories of democrats more than anyone possibly could imagine but if you look back from 1980 when john anderson ran he took it from carter to reagan. and 1992, perot, he took equally between clinton and bush. i'm just not sure there's a lot of evidence to suggest that schultz will pull from either one of the parties disproportionately. president trump's approval rating is so low that democrats would be a favorite right now and anything that could enter the party and upset that worries them a lot. >> we know his team is looking at polling data like the newest gallup polling that says 39% of americans see themselves as independent.