ref -- something that he says sounds outlandish and then freeh previews something to news that's about to break. something like stormy daniels that it seemed an aside to shawn hannity and everybody hit the brakes and said, what? and it turned out that the president -- there was money involved and money exchanged. so let's just listen one more time to what rudy giuliani told chris cuomo last night and see why if we can understand why he's saying it now. >> i never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. i have no idea. i have not. i said the president of the united states. there is not a single bit of evidence the president of the united states committed the only crime you could commit here, conspired with the russians to hack the dnc. >> you know what, david? one more thing. i do just want to play back in july rudy giuliani made -- i think you might have been on with me david gregory the day he game on new day and made the rounds. >> he's still talking. >> we had a long interview that