i thought the other night he should have done a ross perot-like presentation with charts and die graham a -- diagd satellite images. i don't think the democratic response has been all that convincing as to why at least some portion of our border wouldn't be enhanced in his security with the erection of more building, slat, whatever it might be. >> let's say it's on the border with texas. they have so much border. they don't want this. whether it's state officials or federal officials, like members of congress. how does he make that case that this is effective if you have members of his own party who do not want this? >> well, i think one of the issues as to why they don't want