course of the campaign. obviously it is unclear if other members of the campaign were aware of manafort's interactions and that's something that special councsel were intereste in. >> doesn't it strike you as -- okay. obviously hindsight is 20/20. isn't it to have a meeting during a campaign? because obviously both governments know not just the russians but the american government knows what it is happening with people -- with key people like that. >> not only have a meeting but in the first of that meeting provide sense tifr internal polling information about what the trump campaign is learning. >> remember, this came after the trump tower meeting which manafort was in attendance of as well. if you say it was a random one off that we had no idea what was