setting us up for all of that. joining us now, we cnn political reporter, nia-malika henderson, and jackie kucinich, and brian carom. you can be forgiving for being a little confused about exactly what president trump is calling for with his wall because even he seems to be having a hard time defining -- >> shock. >> -- what it is that he wants. let's remind people what he has said about the so-called wall. hold that thought. >> we have natural barriers. it's going to be so big. it's going to be so powerful. it's going to be as beautiful as a wall can be. the wall, also called -- so that i give them a little bit of an out, steel slats. we don't use the word wall necessarily. it's not going to be open until we have a wall or fence or