proud to shut the government down. these are the people he's hurting and it's just unbelievable the things that he's saying right now. >> even if it were true, should it matter? >> no. >> the political make-up of these peep thople that work on f of the government, many of them are civil servants, should their political party matter? >> well, it shouldn't matter. you're 100% right about that. it goes to why we need an independent civil service, people who come to work every day who work for the the american people, not for anybody sitting in the white house. >> let's talk about this thing trending on twitter right now called shut down stories, it's a hash tag such as this mother of three talking about not being able to make rent or buy food. i mentioned this before, i live in the northern virginia suburbs, many of my neighbors are federal government employees. they are nervous about this situation. what are you hearing about how the shutdown is impacting