of staff. there's no one closer maybe other than the vice president to the president. what do you make of this? >> that was then, this is now. welcome to politics in donald trump's washington. it shouldn't be a surprise because mick mulvaney is loyal, about 18 different hats, all a red one for donald trump. and this is also another move for donald trump and help unify. they like mick mulvaney. >> chief will be politically savvy. >> there's no question that john kelly was not the chief of staff going into a reelection, dealing with the problems that he's about to have with mueller. he needed a politician and guess what? there just weren't that many options. mick mulvaney said pick me, pick me. >> ron claimed a friend of yours