as nominee, there were encouraging response was several who held the office. i see on twitter and from you being on the show, norm isen, you, walter schwab, former directors are just lambasting this administration daily. what do you think of the job he's doing now? >> emery rounds is over at the office of government ethics. and i think he's doing a very good job at the office of government ethics. that's an independent agency. the problem is they don't have the enforcement powers they ought to have. and because of that, when they write the white house and tell the white house somebody's in violation, for example, kellyanne conway, schilling for vonk cloth ivanka clothes or whatever, they tell the house of ethics to pound sand. rounds was deputy of the bush white house, the ethics office there, he's worked in oge for a long time. he's doing the best job he can as director of the office of