stone knew about wiki leaks. i think it is really troubling to him because he doesn't know how this is going to spin out because nobody does. >> it is interesting, the 24 hours since mueller revoked the plea deal saying that manafort is a liar, the president hasn't thrown manafort under the bus at this point? >> he hasn't. a lot of speculation about whether he is thinking about pardoning him t. was interesting in the "washington post" interview here, josh dossy asked that question, are you planning to do anything to help paul manafort. trump says let me go off the record. he speaks off the record. he says is there any version of that you are willing to give us on the record? trump said i would rather not. at some point i will talk on the record about it, but i would rather not. who knows what he is saying off the record? what we do know on the record from what trump has said about