>> anthony: no doubt about it. that's like both really classic and totally new. how are you doing? how are you? >> niels: hello, it's niels. cheers. >> anthony: cheers. i'm learning. danes may be stiff, but they sure as hell know how to drink. niels is a danish renaissance man. drinker, sailor, charter tour boat operator, musician. so you were a neighbor of uh, rene and noma. >> niels: i've known him from the absolute beginning. and when noma -- can we start now? >> anthony: yeah, we're going. well what did you think of him when you first met him? >> niels: i saw an ordinary man, he fight for what he think about. >> anthony: he had a vision. >> niels: yeah. a vision. he have a vision and fight for this. >> rene: all right, very close to, uh, bitters. >> chefs: yeah! >> rene: nicely done, chef.