country -- people identify themselves closely with christianity. family based. >> sophia: exactly. >> anthony: and there seems to be a point beyond which the population will not go and to come around to comrade putin, um, he seems to understand this very, very well. >> sophia: the way putin operations is that, like, first putin emanates strength. i mean, he's a bad guy. i mean, there's a consensus. >> anthony: right. >> sophia: like 80% of georgians, like, believe that putin is a very bad guy and russians as well. >> anthony: right, but he's on the winning side. >> sophia: yeah, exactly so he's a winner, so they don't judge winners. they say, "okay, we're bad, but west is worse." >> anthony: but are they wrong? >> sophia: of course they are wrong. >> anthony: wherever you find a traditional, religious, conservative society, you'll also find a countervailing force. georgians, as a rule, are compassionate about tradition, about the way things are supposed to be done. ♪