>> i interviewed for the carson show and i called my agent and i said, i think it went really well. and he said, i'm sorry, honey, but they just called and they said they would not feel comfortable with a woman in the room. >> being a comedy writer is not the most macho profession, so i think there is a certain defensiveness and overcompensation. >> i like that inside track of getting to hear how men talk if women weren't around. because it was almost like you weren't around. >> it was filthy! the language was disgusting! i loved it. >> he'll have such a time, such fun, such -- oh, you'll -- i have to warn you, though, there's a street down there in rome where it just isn't safe for a woman. >> where? where? where? where? >> when you get to your show of shows, that's a very famous writer's room, and you had two women who worked at separate times, the first with lucille callen and the second was selma diamond.