figure. i mean, you can debate that back and forth, but what's the end result here when a military leader of admiral mcraven's standing becomes politicized, becomes another prop in this president's reality tv show? >> that's the thing that concerns me most, john. it is the politicization of the military and the president has done this already with other institutions or he's tried to do it with the intelligence community, with law enforcement, with the judicial branch, and all of that is really contributing to the divisiveness that we are seeing across our society. and it's unfortunate because the military -- interestingly enough, i counted today how many presidents i have served for during my years and admiral mcraven and i were in the military the same amount of time. we entered about the same time and left the same time. and both of us served under eight different presidents. five republic kang and three democrats. i would not have known that unless i stopped to think about