fascinating. she's taking a book tour, joining up with celebrities to do so, people like oprah winfrey, reese witherspoon so we'll hear a lot more from michelle obama about "becoming" in the days and weeks to come. >> thank you. "outfront" with me now, april ryan, white house correspondent for american urban radio networks and the author of "under fire: reporting from the front lines of the trump white house." scott jennings is a former special assistant to george w. bush and carine is a national spokesperson for moveon.org. michelle obama says she'll never forgive the president. she knew that even just that one line was going to get a lot of attention. it was a choice, right, to talk about it, to go after a president -- the current president of the united states. why do you think she did? >> i think, kate, that she's sending a signal, a signal to the country that we can be better than this. she clearly waited until after the midterms. i mean, we are in a time where we're very polarized. it's very divisive. and you have a president in --