great example. >> anthony: yeah. >> bill griffith: in his -- in his riding habit. that's a great example. you do get to a certain level of success, and all of a sudden, this seems like a good idea. and it's never a good idea at that age. >> anthony: at any age, really. >> bill griffith: exactly. >> anthony: was he politically active at all? i mean, there was a lot going on. >> bill griffith: he's a middle-of-the-road democrat. that's what he said. he said you have to bring black education up with white education. and since the state of mississippi will not invest in black education, it's up to its citizens to do so. he said that segregation wasn't about being right or wrong, he said any sane, sober southerner knows that it's wrong. it's about wanting to change or not. but people don't want to give up power. fear is still alive and well in mississippi. i think racism is one of those great things in the world that you'll never solve and that's why faulkner wrote about it. >> anthony: writers, as i know from looking in my own dark

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