about whether people who are already prone to hate are actually being pushed all the way to violence by the encouragement, by the reinforcement that they get online. >> have we reached a point -- even here, i'll just speak for myself. we'll present factual information, back it up with examples, right? concrete empirical evidence. and people say oh, that's not true or it's fake news. it's like what are you talking about? i'm often shocked by the amount of propaganda that people believe. have we reached a point where propaganda can pass as true? >> here's why that happens. i was thinking about this when watching cnn earlier this evening. on anderson's show he was going through the lies in the president's speech, for lack of a better word, on immigration today. because the internet gives you all of these kind of tiny niches you can go into, because even the tv dial gives you so many options, you can tell yourself you're extremely well informed because you have all of these sites bookmarked, because you're