and light company. and that occurred when he was working with a laundromat. he actually owned it. a small laundromat. and the electricity was turned off. he got so angry he got on the phone, begged them on put on it, they wouldn't, started screaming and then he blurted out. if i load up your office, i'm sure you would turn it on real quick. i can make it like worse than 9/11. they hung up on him and of course they called police who came is that investigated. found no indications of bomb making but they charged him with a threat. when it went to court, the judge and the prosecutor saw it for what it was. he was someone who was sick. at that time he clearly no indications of carrying out such activities. it is now 16 years later. his sickness has obviously worsened over the years and they put how many probation and gave him a break. >> has he sought any counseling?