>> when trump calls in on the phone or this interview, there's a lot less news that comes out of the interviews than when he goes on "60 minutes" or speaks with "the new york times." he is being challenged in all ways that a president needs to be challenged. the fox interviews are interesting because they can give a base thinking. you can hear trump rambling. look how many headlines came out of "60 minutes." we learned a lot about the president because of that interview. i think he enjoys the adversarial interviews. i wish he would do more of it. >> eric, you should know this because fox is arguably one of the biggest forces in conservative media. you don't disagree with that, i'm sure. how important is it for the president that he has the support of fox and other outlets on the right? >> of course, it's important. and it's also not unique to president trump. i mean, i was at fox for 11 years, all eight years of the

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